"Journalist or Heretic? | Bari Weiss | The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - S4: E29" (at 1h58m33s), The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast, 10 June 2021.

I believe that when these podcasts work properly, the reason they are compelling, to the degree they manage to be compelling, is because what people are observing and participating in is the process by which two people mutually transform one another towards a higher good, so we are both struggling to make things clear and to approach something that we don't have yet, but it's in that struggle that motivation rises.

— Jordan Peterson

What It Means

This is a placeholder explanation generated by the low-overhead model. It interprets "I believe that when these podcasts work properly, the reason they are compelling, to the degree they manage to be compelling, is because what people are observing and participating in is the process by which two people mutually transform one another towards a higher good, so we are both struggling to make things clear and to approach something that we don't have yet, but it's in that struggle that motivation rises." in the context of ""Journalist or Heretic? | Bari Weiss | The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - S4: E29" (at 1h58m33s), The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast, 10 June 2021." to mean that wisdom is timeless.

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About Jordan Peterson

Jordan Bernt Peterson (born June 12, 1962) is a Canadian clinical psychologist at the University of Toronto. He is the author of Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief (1999), 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos (2017), Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life (2021) and We Who Wrestle With God (2024)