When Pope Francis was elected, I thought: now comes the excommunication. But it was the opposite: Cardinal Mueller wanted to have us excommunicated, and Pope Francis refused. He told me personally: ‘I will not condemn you.’ Reconciliation will come. Our Mother Church is incredibly divided at the moment. The conservatives want us, and they have said so in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The German bishops absolutely do not want us. Rome has to deal with all these elements, we understand that. If we were simply accepted as we are, there would be a war in the Church. There is a fear that we will triumph. The Pope told journalists: ‘I will make sure that it is not a triumph.’

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This is a placeholder explanation generated by the low-overhead model. It interprets "When Pope Francis was elected, I thought: now comes the excommunication. But it was the opposite: Cardinal Mueller wanted to have us excommunicated, and Pope Francis refused. He told me personally: ‘I will not condemn you.’ Reconciliation will come. Our Mother Church is incredibly divided at the moment. The conservatives want us, and they have said so in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The German bishops absolutely do not want us. Rome has to deal with all these elements, we understand that. If we were simply accepted as we are, there would be a war in the Church. There is a fear that we will triumph. The Pope told journalists: ‘I will make sure that it is not a triumph.’" in the context of "Quando Papa Francesco è stato eletto, ho pensato: adesso arriva la scomunica. Ma è stato l’opposto: il cardinale Mueller voleva ottenere la nostra scomunica, e Papa Francesco si è rifiutato. Mi ha detto personalmente: "Non vi condannerò". La riconciliazione arriverà. La nostra Madre Chiesa al momento è incredibilmente divisa. I conservatori ci vogliono e lo hanno detto anche nella Congregazione per la Dottrina della Fede. I vescovi tedeschi assolutamente non ci vogliono. Roma deve fare i conti con tutti questi elementi, lo capiamo. Se fossimo accettati semplicemente così, ci sarebbe una guerra nella Chiesa. C’è il timore che trionfiamo. Il Papa ha detto ai giornalisti: "Mi assicurerò che non sia un trionfo".
 • From an interview of Iacopo Scaramuzzi, Lefebvriani: oltre cinquant’anni di “autodemolizione della Chiesa”, La Stampa (July 3, 2019)" to mean that wisdom is timeless.